New Witness’ Account via Mansur (VIDEO)
Notes from video:
Witness said he was leaving home to go somewhere cooler, because it was hot at where he was.
He waited so long to come forward because of the popularity of the case. The witness has been in contact with Jossy Mansur, basically since the beginning.
Witness said he saw Joran and Natalee on the beach. Natalee fell asleep on the beach, then Deepak came back to the beach with Joran. Witness said “I think Deepak raped the girl and then murdered her”.
Download and view video here.
Check out the Blogs for Natalee forums here: http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum
July 26th, 2005 at 12:32 am
The witness Jossie spoke of, is the one who drove close by the 3 boys in the car, while they were parked at the raquetclub.
The other account, of Deepak going back to the brach and raping and then murdering Natalee, wasn’t from a witness. Jossie was telling us of one of Joran’s many versions of the events that night. So far, no witness to what happened to Natalee other than Joran himself.
July 26th, 2005 at 3:40 am
Gramma, you are speculating yourself! “So far, no witness to what happened to Natalee other than Joran himself”. How do we know he was there (alone) when supposedly something happened to Natalee.
On other thing I think is very weird, is the statement this witness (the gardener) made. He said he went out of his appartment because it was too hot too sleep. He did this at a weird time ánd the thing that puzzles me: ins’t he used to the heat? It just puzzles me.
July 26th, 2005 at 11:55 am
Gramma, when she is found it will be almost enough. When her killer(s) are brought to justice, it will be just about enough. Then when foreigners quit bothering Americans, it WILL BE ENOUGH.
July 26th, 2005 at 5:59 pm
Please cut the political crap.
July 26th, 2005 at 7:23 pm
Althor, don’t think you are alone in your thinking. In this world where personal responsiblity has gone the way of the dinosour, one can only wonder just how bad it will get in the future.
I find it so ironic that these fringe people will not hold everyone to the same atandar in this case of the missing Natalee Holloway.
I find it quite disgusting of how the pro-Beth Twity crowd shouts down anyone with the courage to discuss a different scenario than having Joran involved in Natalee’s disappearance.
To me there is a rampagous Lynch Mob running this situation. These people want to see someone executed, no-matter if they are the guilty party or not.
As the past few day have shown the ainting of Natlee as angelic has only made things worse. Natalee and her friends went to carlos and Charlies to drink and drink heavily. So much so that these same kids could not look after one another.
Lessons should be learned in this case, and lets hope that parents will have some Frank-Talks to their teenagers about something similar happening to them.
Everyone claims to not want to judge Natalee or her parents for a llowing her on this trip, byut people for anything good to come of this mess a judgement will have to made to prevent this from happening agan.
GWD
July 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
Blue could you please explain “when foreigners quit bothering americans IT WILL BE ENOUGH” ???????? Unles you are a Native American Indian you are not a true blooded American anyway. Learn your history and from whence you came if you are not a Native American Indian
July 27th, 2005 at 3:32 am
Blue: When foreigners quit bothering Americans? Hahaha, you’re s***ing us right? It surprises me that a lot of Americans seem to believe that foreigners are against this whole case. Well i can tell you: (most) of them are not. What they DO hate, is the way it gets covered by the SUBjective news networks like Foxnews. They are not practising journalism in any way. I don’t know what the hell they are doing.
If you look at the news around the world concerning this case, it shows you that the news is 100% objective. They will only bring out news about this case when it actually is NEWS. That’s what it’s all about: when new things develop. And that means not covering every little move and showing the same old sh*t every time! Foxnews can learn some things from the really good news networks.
July 27th, 2005 at 11:36 am
I think that the majority of people are interested or they wouldn’t be saturating the news with it. Thank goodness we have the choice to turn the television off, not read the paper, etc.
July 27th, 2005 at 3:36 pm
Hello everyone!! Glad to see this board is being contirbuted by some very well thought posts as usual (10 times better than the “clique meets looney bin” atmosphere at Riehl World View and Scared Monkeys- all my friends that occasionally lurk on those blogs feel the same way. Mind you there are some comments that are pretty well thought out,but the overwhelming majority of the posts are by people who are ready to pounce on any different perspectives and go crying
like little babies to Riehl,Red and Tom to have such posts banned. What jerks!! (note: if you go to Riehl World View take note of this Mrs Jimi Hendrix character -what an idiot – she trys to act like she owns the place!!Somebody who was wrongfully banned even went to the trouble of stating a blog to set the record straight about this idiot lady. (what an insult to Jimi Hendrix name too!!)
Anyway we can disregard the Scared Monkeys (false) post about the hair strands (DNA) not being Natalees (day before yesterday?) No such Dutch results have been confirmed FYI. Its the FBI results I am interested in anyway.
Keep up the good work and thanks to Ian for a great blog.
July 27th, 2005 at 4:23 pm
Hi, Balance! I think reading those other sites can be quite entertaining, but I wouldn’t dream of getting involved in any of the discussions. I think they serve a certain purpose for those that choose to post there and there seems to be an underlying motivation to get each other riled up and that’s not my style.
Although, we all have different opinions and ideas there is very little disrespect here. I sometimes think I’m a bit obsessed with this case but when I read those posts and see how much time they spend there, I know I not.
Anyway..thanks for the tip. I didn’t think there were any results given, but I don’t think we’re going to get them anyways. I have a feeling, especially if there is evidence one or all of the suspects are involved, there would be too much risk in disclosing anything.
I think justice needs to be served, but I really just want Natalee found so her parents can grieve and find some answers.
This pond being drained is an interesting development….although will we get any answers on that either? I know that based on what the firefighters are doing they are probably looking for evidence, rather than a body, since they have put up a screen to collect materials as the water pumps out. The part that interests me is why spend the entire night doing it rather than starting at a “normal” hour..the urgency sparked my attention.
Ian—I thank you, too. Thanks for deleting the very few comments you have deleted, as I think they needed to be. You’ve done a great thing by providing this outlet and it is appreciated.
July 27th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Balance I agree with you that the posting here is for the most part very thoughtful,however I would like to know why you are only interested in getting the FBI results. Don’t you think the results from Holland are just as good?? I can assure you that the CSI lab in Holland is one of the very best in the world. I know this because I have Dutch ties and I have also lived in Holland.
July 27th, 2005 at 6:39 pm
I hope the Kalpoes are under constant surveillance. I have thought about the possibility that they were seen by the LE returning to the lake/pond and that was why it was searched last night, at such an odd hour. There could be so much evidence, or so little.
Balance, your theory sounds absolutely possible. There are just too many possibilities…and some murderers are so normal on the outside..and sometimes these nut jobs commit rape and/or other sick things until it escalates to murder. Sometimes, the abuse is planned but not to go so far as to kill someone..and then it happens.
I also think that the boys have probably had some experience in picking up locals and probably from C&Cs. Sounds like it could be a typical weekend for many young men given all the opportunities. What also concerned me though was that Joran basically has his own apartment and therefore the ability to sneak in and out unnoticed.
I also wonder if Deepak may be involved more so than his brother, Satish. Although, they certainly could have acted together, but Deepak may be more aggressive. If only there car would have been confiscated and searched immediately!
Keep in mind that the boys are lying and changing their stories (not sure I believe 14 or 22 times) but in my experience (but certainly not with murder and crime) when people lie, especially teenagers, there is often truth intertwined into the lie.
I’m all over the place with my thoughts. Just too many what ifs to process!!
I know that Dayo is going to have a field day with this discussion and I’ll be curious to hear his rebuttal. But, I just feel that these boys have definitely got some if not all of the answers. If evidence cannot be obtained to prove it, then they certainly cannot be charged with any crime, so I wouldn’t say that my belief in this theory means that they should stay in prison ten years without evidence! Just need to clariy that.
July 27th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Thanks, GWD.
Some new information this evening on the case, very interesting and surprising stuff. I did participate in the forum. Lots going on there today.
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