Peter de Vries – Video and Translation – Dec. 13, 2009
Hat Tip – Video – BFN Member Bastibro
Hat Tip – Translation – BFN Member GBMW
08-02-2008 snippets of Joran’s statement because of the Patrick van der Eem – Peter R. de Vries / Range Rover footage.
10:17
Joran alone in the room…playing with his hat.
10:49
Joran: I don’t want to talk about the Holloway case.
Detective: This is a hearing of you. Your status: suspect. Aruba has decided to re-open the investigation based on the current facts.
10:22
Detective: You came to the policestation voluntarily because, so we understood from the media – from the lips of your lawyer – that you want to make a statement.
Joran: That is correct. Let me start by saying I’ve got a huge imagination…and I’m staying with my previous statements given to the police – thus not the one at Peter R. de Vries – …that I’m keeping to those. That is what happened. And that what is talked about there (meaning the Peter R. de Vries tapes)…I’ve fantasized it all.
10:25
Joran: I wanted him to think I’m a smart guy…and that I would know what to do in a difficult situation.
Detective: Impress him?
Joran: Yes.
Detective: So it was more like presenting your CV: this is what you get.
Joran: Well, in the 8 months with me he’s insinuated things towards me a few times…I just knew: that is what he wants to hear…a story like that. I’ve had plenty of time to come up with something. I’m familiar with the case myself so I’ve also been thinking: what could possibly have happened. This is a scenario I choose to tell him but it’s not based on the truth.
10:40
Joran: I wanted, because of his stories he didn’t know,….I figured…okay…I’m going to tell him that I got away with something like that.
Detective: And you use the disappearance of Natalee for that?
Joran: And I used the disappearance of Natalee for that.
10:25
Detective: Tell, from your experience, the essential points…from the whole story…from all the conversations you had with Patrick what were deliberate lies..
Joran: Yes…that’s all I supposedly have done.
Dolph Richardson: Tangible.
Detective: Very tangible. According to me there are things that went the way they went.
Joran is silent for a bit and says then: Yeah…everything you…I’m referring to my previous statements to the police. Everything I told there is based on the truth.
10:48
Detective: Only, in the file as it is, there are facts and circumstances you can or can’t easily validate. You don’t do that.
Silence for a bit.
The simple fact: if we assume the given: Joran at the beach with Natalee. The simple fact: Joran leaves the beach & goes home. How?
Joran: I’ve also given a previous statement about that as well.
Detective: Yeah…which version is it?
Joran (annoyed & arrogant): You’re not listening very well.
Detective: I am listening.
Joran: I’m staying with my last version….
Dolph Richardson: And what was that?
Joran is silent for a short time…says then: Yeah, I’m saying I’m staying with that statement…you have to go back to that statement.
Detective: No, I’ve just said not any of that ’seek the difference’.
Joran: I’m telling you: I’m staying with my last given statements. And I don’t want to discuss the Holloway case.
10:43
Dolph Richardson (annoyed): I’m done with it!
Joran: Okay.
Dolph Richardson: So tell the truth. We start again…tell the truth! I didn’t come here to listen to this bullshit story, sorry.
Joran: Okay, then we’re done.
Dolph Richardson: No, tell the truth.
Joran: Then I’m exercising my right to be silent…then we’re done here. Piece of cake. Okay…then I’m leaving now.
11:49
Detective: Come with your truth.
Joran: I’ve given that already.
Detective: Then I’m asking you…what is your truth?
Joran (annoyed & arrogant): If I have to say it a 100 times, I will say it a 100 times: I’m referring to my previous statements.
Detective: Holiday Inn…your truth. It’s in the file.
Joran: Yes, that’s in the file.
Detective: Without a doubt it is certain that it was a big bullshit story. That is your truth. Then you’re still talking bullshit, Joran.
Joran: Well, that is my truth.
11:54
Detective: And may I – based on the de Vries tapes & the file – perhaps ask a question about your shoes? Clear that up…what happened to your focking shoes?
Joran: I’d rather not…I’d rather talk about something that is founded on proof.
? (don’t know who’s saying this): For example the shoes.
Dolph Richardson: What can you proof?
Joran: If I don’t know where they are how can I give proof?
Detective: Tell us where to look.
Joran: I don’t know…I left them at the beach so I don’t know. And I don’t want to discuss that. (emphasizing this)
11:01
Detective: We have found Daury. So that’s correct.
Joran: But he doesn’t know anything. Daury is someone I gotten to know on Aruba…I told you.
Detective: Yes, but we’ve found Daury. We’ve talked to Daury.
Joran: That’s just the name I came up with for some reason.
12:17
Detective: How do you prove based on the Peter R. de Vries tapes that Natalee didn’t die or pass out in your arms?
Joran: I’m saying that that isn’t true. You will just have to believe me on my big brown eyes.
Detective: No, that’s not possible anymore.
Joran: Yeah…but how do you want me to say it otherwise?
Detective: That is over and done with….can’t happen anymore.
Joran (annoyed): You know damn well I can’t prove that. What you’re coming up with are things…
Detective: No…so you can’t prove that.
Joran: No.
12:20
starts in the middle of a sentence…
Detective: ….that you, also in this conversation, and that is an indisputable fact…let me express myself carefully…aren’t telling the truth.
At this moment Joran looks away…not meeting the detective’s / Dolph Richardson’s eyes.
Joran makes a move to stand up…
Dolph Richardson: Sit…he’s going to prove it. He’s not bluffing. That’s the difference between my co-worker and you. You’re (pointing at Joran) are bluffing and he’s (pointing at the detective) not.
Joran (annoyed): Okay…as far as I’m concerned we’re done here.
Detective: No, but he can really…he’s not bluffing.
Joran: Well, prove it.
Joran is still moving as if in doubt to go or not.
Dolph Richardson: Well listen…sit..
Joran: Come…show your so called proof. You don’t have that. I know you don’t. So what are you saying that ‘you’ll prove’ while I know that won’t be the case?
Detective: I’m fine with it.
Joran: Yes.
Detective: I am (emphasizing this) going to prove that you haven’t told the complete truth in today’s story.
Dolph Richardson: We are going to prove that.
Detective: And I don’t feel any need whatsoever to share this with you at the moment.
Joran: And I don’t feel any need whatsoever to hear it.
Dolph Richardson: Good.
Detective: Then we agree on that.
Joran: Yeah. Yeah…then we’re done right? Easy.
Detective: We’re really done.
